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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 9:30:08 GMT
Post by princessmoose on Oct 23, 2006 9:30:08 GMT
I have a few pupils whose rhythm leaves a lot to be desired. One saxophonist who really does need a lot of help and a few clarinettists. For the past few weeks I've taken my clarinet along and played parts of the pieces with them and that seems to have helped most of them, but I don't know what to do with this one pupil. She's passed grade 4 sax and wants to do grade 5 but she's all over the place with her pieces because of her rhythm. What can I do to help her improve? I already get her to clap parts of the piece but she finds that difficult, and she finds clapping along to a piece of music quite hard as well .
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 9:52:57 GMT
Post by Dulciana on Oct 23, 2006 9:52:57 GMT
Sometimes, instead of sight-reading at home (I'd like it be as well, but meanwhile back in the real world...) I give my pupils things to clap their way through - or bang a table with a pencil. They find it easier to use a metronome when there's only rhythm to worry about, without the added complication of getting the notes right as well. I still have Grade 6's who say "I can't count", and dotted rhythms and syncopation seem to illude them if they have to work things out for themselves rather than be told, "This is how it goes." A homework of "Come back with the rhythm of these bars learnt" can be useful.
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 13:38:29 GMT
Post by YetAnotherKlavierist on Oct 23, 2006 13:38:29 GMT
Use names for the note durations - ta, ta-te, that sort of thing. It might help more than clapping as it'll be forming a stronger link in her memory: associating quaver-quaver with the words ta-te as well as the correct rhythm.
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 13:46:38 GMT
Post by jod on Oct 23, 2006 13:46:38 GMT
Dare I mention the word 'The L. Ron Hubbard of Music' here! But his rhythm names Ta (crotchet) Ti Ti (quavers) can be very useful. I find breaking the beat up into minimum pieces better. the count one and two and etc, so that the rhythm relates to the pulse is better. You could also look at the shortest note duration in a grouping (eg semiquavers and see how they keep on ticking away whilst the rest of the rhythm fits over the top. Keep Clapping rhythms with pupils and be a pedant, but a reassuring pedant. Keep praising when things are right. Tap pulses for your student to fit the rhythm round, then teach him/her to tap the pulse with one hand and the rhythm with the other.
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 15:59:55 GMT
Post by Dulciana on Oct 23, 2006 15:59:55 GMT
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 16:29:12 GMT
Post by Steve Hopwood on Oct 23, 2006 16:29:12 GMT
I don't know the 'The L. Ron Hubbard of Music' time-names, but they sound similar to to the French time-names that YAP mentioned. They are very good. Trouble is, getting your average image-conscious teen to say Ta-te Ta-te (quavers) or Ta-fe-te-fe (semis) or Taa-aa-aa (dotted minim) is a bit of a non-starter. I gave up years ago. I often invent silly sayings that fit the rhythm. We are all familiar with a crotchet, 6 quaver rhythm being played as 7 quavers. "Steve is a lu-na-tic" solves that one every time. I wonder why ;D
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 16:32:51 GMT
Post by chocolatedog on Oct 23, 2006 16:32:51 GMT
Ehup Steve.....
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 16:36:50 GMT
Post by princessmoose on Oct 23, 2006 16:36:50 GMT
[sarcasm] No you may not, obviously you can't, I mean I wouldn't want any mention of that at all would I, because I'm completely against helping my pupils in any way. [/sarcasm] Thanks for the replies, I use "Bob the builder" for dotted crotchet, quaver, 2 crotchets and that seems to work quite well .
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 16:46:11 GMT
Post by jod on Oct 23, 2006 16:46:11 GMT
That's brilliant, because "can he fix it" is 4 crotchets and "yes he can" is 2 crotchets and a minim!
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 16:49:39 GMT
Post by Steve Hopwood on Oct 23, 2006 16:49:39 GMT
Sa-tur-day for triplets.
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Oct 23, 2006 16:51:41 GMT
Post by jod on Oct 23, 2006 16:51:41 GMT
Da-la-pi-co-la ( 20th Century composer) for quintuplets...useful for ornamentation.
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 16:52:12 GMT
Post by princessmoose on Oct 23, 2006 16:52:12 GMT
For sextuplets I use - follow the yellow brick
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 16:55:32 GMT
Post by jod on Oct 23, 2006 16:55:32 GMT
Just think of all the silly gibberish we must be saying in lessons, just so our pupils get rhythm right!
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 16:58:25 GMT
Post by Steve Hopwood on Oct 23, 2006 16:58:25 GMT
Just think of all the silly gibberish we must be saying in lessons, just so our pupils get rhythm right! I thing they just class it as an extension of the gibberish I usually say.
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Rhythm
Oct 23, 2006 16:59:59 GMT
Post by jod on Oct 23, 2006 16:59:59 GMT
Steve! You! Gibberish! Surely not!
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