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Post by princessmoose on May 21, 2006 20:56:57 GMT
I'm trying to learn this at the moment. All the recordings I've heard of it go at lightening speed. Roughly what speed would I be able to get away with doing it in say an exam situation. Also, in bar 53 where the trill is, I can't seem to play the left hand semiquavers steadily enough. I speed up, and tips on how not to?
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Post by SuzyMac on May 21, 2006 21:11:45 GMT
Hey! I started looking at this one this week How fast are you playing it at the moment? I'd be very interested to know how fast is 'acceptable'. I don't have much advice as to how to get the LH semiquavers even, I've played that pattern so many times before that I just launch into it without thinking now! Maybe try the LH alone and then join in with the trill once ready. Then the other way round. Start slowly and gradually increase your speed as things feel more natural. I've been using the metronome to keep me in time, especially b53-4 - my 1st LH crotchet is always late!
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Post by princessmoose on May 21, 2006 21:14:55 GMT
I've only just started it really so I don't know how fast I am playing it. I'm just trying to get my fingers around the notes etc.
Another place I seem to lose it is in bars 16-17 and 19-20.. where the semiquaver bits are in the RH. My LH just doesn't play the right notes, I can do it separately but something goes wrong everytime I put them together.
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Post by SuzyMac on May 21, 2006 21:21:19 GMT
Heehee - they're fun! Make sure RH knows *exactly* what it is doing before going quickly though, this one doesn't seem as predictable as other Mozarts (IMHO ). The bit I find tricky is the sneaky little reverse bit, where LH does the staccato quavers then SQ-Q pattern on my page 5 (not sure which bar number, mine doesn't have any!). LH is confused and doesn't understand! I'm sure once I start going stupidly fast I'll struggle landing the arpeggio bits after the semiquavers
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Post by princessmoose on May 21, 2006 21:22:25 GMT
Oh yes ..bar 129...I can't do that bit! The LH just doesn't come out loud enough argh!
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Post by SuzyMac on May 21, 2006 21:31:07 GMT
My LH comes out....just not when I want it to! It's like some 5-year-old is taking over
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Post by princessmoose on May 22, 2006 11:23:40 GMT
I know the feeling! I'm going to just work up on the first section up until the repeat marks for now and try to get that vaguely like how it is supposed to. I love this piece so much.
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Post by princessmoose on May 26, 2006 16:03:09 GMT
Heeelp.
I have 3 recordings of this piece. How are the appoggiatura supposed to be played? As quavers with the next note, or not, Jeno Jando doesn't do it that way....
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Post by Steve Hopwood on May 26, 2006 20:59:55 GMT
Heeelp. I have 3 recordings of this piece. How are the appoggiatura supposed to be played? As quavers with the next note, or not, Jeno Jando doesn't do it that way.... Depends how you like them, Nat. Sometimes I play even quavers, sometimes I make the appoggiatura a semiquaver - depends on my mood. There isn't a 'correct' answer here. Steve
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Post by princessmoose on May 26, 2006 21:00:42 GMT
Ok, so in an exam situation, either is ok?
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Post by Steve Hopwood on May 26, 2006 21:25:47 GMT
Ok, so in an exam situation, either is ok? Theoretically, yes, but here is where the real nuisance of playing Mozart in an exam kicks in. It is axiomatic that every examiner believes that there is only one way to play Mozart - his\her way. Anybody offering Mozart in a piano exam is risking meeting an examiner who hates her interpretation. I steer my students away from this, whenever possible. Play safe if you are offering this particular movement for an exam - play even quavers and hope like mad that your examiner is not the only one currently on the circuit that regards this as unforgivably boring. Steve
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Post by princessmoose on May 26, 2006 21:26:43 GMT
Ok lol thanks.
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Post by princessmoose on May 27, 2006 18:57:22 GMT
Ok, I need help again. *sigh* Bars 56-57 - the semiquavers, leaping between the different octaves, how do you get them so sound flowing and even, unlike the way I play it? Bars 65 onwards, how on earth do you fit in a trill to that, I am . Bar 67 - Do I have to play that D minor arpeggio grace note thing in the LH? I can't possible play that really fast and then jump to playing an octave. I think that is it ...for now....
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Post by YetAnotherKlavierist on May 27, 2006 19:43:40 GMT
Bars 56-57 - the semiquavers, leaping between the different octaves, how do you get them so sound flowing and even, unlike the way I play it? Clever fingering and anticipating the need to move ones hand upwards. Starting on beat 3 we have (fingering underneath): CDEC ABCA 2341 2342 Don't keep your hand in the same position for the 2341 - as you play the 3 and then the 4, move your wrist further to the right so by the time you need 1 for the C your thumb is stretched downwards towards it. This will have you that bit nearer the A, and stretching to reach it with finger 2 should be a little easier . If that doesn't make sense, give me a shout and I'll webcam it. Don't worry about getting too many notes in. Try one of: i) G,A,G ii) A, G The first is preferable, but if it interrupts the flow plump for the second. Play it with the right hand . I think it's just shown on the bass clef stave for notational convenience.
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Post by princessmoose on May 27, 2006 19:49:00 GMT
Ok thanks. I'll try that, it can't get any worse so lets hope it works. Want to hear another hilarious recording?
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